瑞富门事件(REFCO）4亿3000万美圆财务丑闻

ricky

NEW YORK, March 30 (Reuters) - Bankrupt futures broker Refco Inc. said on Thursday that it still plans to sell its retail foreign exchange brokerage unit, even though the only bidder on the business has withdrawn its bid.

Refco said it has delayed seeking court approval to sell its Refco FX Associates unit, and its 35 percent stake in Forex Capital Markets LLC. Forex Capital Markets, the only bidder so far for the Refco FX Associates assets, has said it offered as much as $130 million for the 17,000 client accounts at Refco FX Associates.      

has delayed
连4月11日寻求法院批准卖出REFCOFX 以及在FXCM35%股份的意向都已经延迟了。
REFCOFX的提款的结果渺茫

tom

原本受聘于美国REFCO 新加坡公司时，是曾经多次受中国REFCO 公司和别间中国公司邀请前去中国各地开讲有关技术图表分析方面的课程与讲座．并从来也没有受到中国银监会的调查或阻扰．

自从美国REFCO 总公司发生总裁挪用公款被揭露而造成公司股票大掉而面临破产清盘以后，在世界各地的REFCO 分公司（包括新加坡公司）都易手他人或与人合并或重组了．王涛目前所在的是一间英国公司，还没有在中国大陆方面有业务项目或办分公司．所以目前虽然仍有中国公司邀请他再去办股市投资的教育性讲座，但他还不能够丢下目前公司的繁忙业务而分身前往．

因为王涛本人除了受中国公司邀请做股市技术性演讲之外，并无涉及任何帮助中国客户开设外国公司账户的行为．中国银监会的公告对他而言并没有什么困扰．如我所言，王涛也认为公司老总有错而造成公司倒闭并不能够一竿子打翻全公司的职员．

上面这个是网上的传说，不知道是否属实，更不知道在CBRC如下警告颁布以后，何时候可以在大陆看到这位人士。

http://www.cbrc.gov.cn/mod_cn00/jsp/cn004005.jsp?infoID=2353&type=1

公    告




最近，我会发现一些外国机构通过开办研讨会、培训等方式，向我国境内自然人推介外汇交易业务，并通过互联网非法向境内自然人提供外汇交易操作平台。这些活动违反了我国有关金融监管法规，而且已发生损害我国境内金融消费者利益的事件。为维护金融秩序，保护我国广大金融消费者的利益，现公告如下：


一、未经中国银监会许可，任何外国机构不得在中华人民共和国境内宣传、推介外汇交易业务，或者通过互联网向中华人民共和国境内自然人提供外汇交易服务。


二、通过互联网在外国机构的交易网络平台上进行外汇交易的行为，不受中华人民共和国法律保护，广大金融消费者参与此类活动时须谨慎。


特此公告。




            中国银监会

                    二○○六年三月十三日

大陆很多资金在REFCO108无法收回的朋友可以多向这个号称新加坡分析师协会会长咨询咨询如何找回资金的问题了。

http://business.sohu.com/20041124/n223159436.shtml

网友：现在瑞富点差听说降了，是真的吗？

　　王涛：从周一开始欧元对美元点差是三个点，美元对日元是四个点，英镑对美元是五个点，换了之后可能更小，具体的差价可以到瑞富网访问一下，大家可以到网站来看一下。http://www.refco108.com/chs/spreads_margins.html#3

　　网友：听说瑞富有一些讲座，讲座在什么地方？

　　王涛：11月27号在南京，28号在福州，具体的地点和时间网友可以到搜狐网查询，http://sh.sohu.com/ads/fx108/1109/jiangzuo.htm　主要由许强先生讲外汇分析。内容是国际外汇投资工具介绍，近期外汇市场行情分析。

http://www.stockstar.com/info2005/darticle.asp?id=QJ,20051024,10086391&ColumnID=1199&pageno=1

炒汇受损

　　“亲爱的客户：瑞富外汇于2005年10月17及18日开始正式在第11条破产保护令下运作。瑞富集团已要求旗下之瑞富外汇延迟处理有关瑞富外汇账户的提款申请，直至澄清有关银行及公司内部的问题。瑞富正尽所有能力去筹募资金以履行偿还欠款给债权人的责任......瑞富预期出售有关业务有助支付予瑞富外汇的客户，希望客户资金及账户冻结只属暂时性质。请留意以上的程序可能需时长达数星期以至数月，而非短时间内可以完成。”这是记者在www.refco108.com(瑞富集团针对亚洲市场开发的官方外汇平台)中看到的一则最新通知。

　　虽然在网站下方有“至中国交易者：根据中国相关法律规定，中国境内居民不得参与境外外汇保证金交易”的提示，但从整个网站上，到处是充满收益诱惑的炒汇操作介绍。

　　“刚出事，瑞富股价刚开始跌的时候，一两天还可以取款，就是到账时间长一点。资金冻结则是最近几天。”一位不愿透露姓名的杭州投资者告诉记者，浙江地区个人境外投资现象非常普遍，外盘期货、外汇保证金和香港H股都有很多客户在做。

　　据上述人士介绍，通常炒汇以一万美元为限，一万美元以上的多数会经过香港一些银行开户投资，而一万美元以下的则会选择一些美国受期货业协会监管的中介公司来做，例如瑞富这样的机构。“资金出去的时候，肯定得有个心理准备。作为成熟的投资者，对这个风险肯定是有个评估的。”

　　本报获悉，在经济比较发达，民资充裕的江浙沿海地区，经常可以看到名目各异的外汇投资讲座。一位杭州银行工作人员告诉记者，这类讲座，通常都邀请一些银行外汇实盘客户参与，对感兴趣的客户，有的通过代办点进行操作。

　　“要到香港做(外汇)的话，必须到香港签字，比较麻烦。如果资金大的话，自己就会介绍朋友去香港做，虽然点差大些，但还是普遍比国内低很多。”上述人士还告诉记者，瑞富集团下有很多子公司，有的子公司是受美国和一些地区国家期货业监管，有的也是注册在一些没有监管的离岸地区。

作为REFCO的职员，在介绍REFCO108时候有两种可能性：
1。 不知道REFCO108.com所属的REFCO CAPITAL MARKET 是注册在一些没有监管的离岸地区， 这种可能性的% 有多大？？？

2。 知道，不过是否把这个事实告知给广大客户，就是这个职员本身的权利了。  同时，也是这个职员的个人良知了。

twotwo

偶来说两句：
    本来就知道这是个高风险行业，研究策略就已经够累的了，当然想把资金放在一个安全的地点，想不被交易商的问题所困扰，就没有选FXCM。当时听说FXCM只有几百万美元资产，瑞富后来公开宣布
有500亿美元资产。真是没想到啊！几百万资产的没倒，500亿资产的，倒掉了。500亿啊！是什么概念？后来又说当时已有480亿美元债务(资产还不到480亿），那为什么当时不公布出来？当时讲500亿美元，使人误以为净资产500亿美元。这样的数据谁不会造？
借1000亿美元，挥霍掉100亿，告诉人家资产900亿美元。
    当时，又说瑞富是世界最大的期货经纪公司，美国政府又怎么能允许这样的公司一部分被监管，一部分又不被监管？这不等于骗人吗？外人哪里会知道这里的猫腻？连索罗斯的伙伴都吃了大亏。
    偶是在一家公司听讲座时知道瑞富的，后来又听了瑞富的巡回讲座。而且，瑞富又和国内的大型门户网站合伙搞了很多活动，又热火朝天地卷入中国资本市场，谁知道会说倒就倒？选交易商时千挑万选，自以为风险很小，谁知道会发生这样的事？那家公司的老板这样做事真是没有良心。人家把钱搁在你这儿，就是对你最大的信任，怎么能这样对待人家的资金？做人要有最起码的道德，别人的资本是应该保护的。老美这样做事，你说世界人民会怎么看？

twotwo

罗杰斯也是一世英雄，把精力都集中在市场上了，前几年期货做得洋洋得意，没想到马失前蹄。估计当时瑞富发个电子邮件，告诉罗杰斯基金，要把他们的资金在瑞富内部划转一下，当然不会说从被监管的转到不被监管的，不知道是罗杰斯本人还是他的部下，做梦都想不到这里面还有猫腻，也想不到还要去核查一把。估计后来天天痛哭流涕了。

585t

其实REFCO旗下受管制的帐户资金都没有问题，可以正常提款。

索罗斯的伙伴都吃了大亏，相关报道已经说明了，索罗斯的伙伴是知道RCM没有监管，但是它需要的就是那些没有监管的产品。

但是REFCO108就是另外一回事情了，当时REFCO新加坡的许强，王涛跑到中国来弄了那么多场所谓的讲座，呵呵我听过许强的，超级搞笑。
从来没告诉我们这些老百姓大家REFCO108是没有监管的离岸公司，难道他们不知道吗？

我记得FXFORUM老大们很早就说过REFCO108的问题，当时好象没有引起外面的朋友警惕。

现在最恶心的是居然他们把REFCO108.COM给关了，直接连接到refcofx.com ，目的是什么？想把refco108同refcofx混合起来？掩盖这几个人的责任吗？
　
很明显至今REFCOFX 仍然可以交易，而在REFCO108的资金都已经死虾了，作为当时推销这个REFCO108的许强，王涛，还有另外一个从新加坡过来的陈澄岳

把下面这些保存起来，做为证据

　   

瑞富（Refco）集团 – 世界上最大非银行期货经纪商。瑞富集团在14个国家为全球的机构投资者提供多元化的金融服务，总资产逾200亿美金，拥有超过250,000个客户帐户和3,000名雇员。瑞富集团于全球的附属公司是美国和其他国际交易所的成员, 亦是芝加哥、纽约、伦敦、法兰克福、巴黎和新加坡期货交易所的活跃的成员。除了期货经纪之外,瑞富也是现金市场产品 -- 包括外汇、外汇期权、政府债券、国内和国际股票、新兴市场债券、场外金融及商品产品 – 的主要经纪。瑞富亦在资产管理拥有显著的地位, 而且是全球最大的结算公司之一。

FX108.com 是瑞富集团针对亚洲市场开发的官方外汇平台。
   
  
许强，现任亚洲金融中心之一的美国瑞富集团REFCO(新加坡)副总经理，负责亚洲市场之开发，金融商品推广，该集团是全球最大的期货交易商。






主讲人：陈澄岳

　　1984年至今，21年丰富的外汇交易经

验；现任凯丰国际有限公司懂事及首席投资

顾问。

曾任美国摩根大通银行（JP Morgan

Chase)新加坡，首席交易员。

职务：汇市作市商（Market Maker)；

瑞士联合银行（UBS)新家坡，首席交易员．

职务：汇市作市商（Market Maker)；

美国花旗集团-Citigroup新家坡（美国花旗

银行的母公司），投资顾问。

职务：专为高额资金客户提供分析和理财咨

询。



主讲人：王涛

　　1991年毕业于河南大学，后获得英国

Leicester大学金融MBA学位。现任美国瑞富

公司(REFCO)任技术分析师，新家坡技术分

析师协会会长，致力于新家坡图表分析技术

的确推广和普及工作，也是国际技术分析师

联盟(IFTA)非常任理事及教育委员会委员，

参与国际技术分析师资格考试教材的编写工

作。运用波浪理论，阴阳线，形态，指标等

分析工具，研究分析亚洲及美国股票期指，

外汇及债券，是坚定的图表分析派，拥有

10多年的图表分析经验，醉心于研究各种走

势理论，特别注重理论结合实际。

看看这些人自称的经历，根据他们的阅历，难道他们不明白REFCO108是没有监管的吗？所以ＴＯＭ说的下面这个问题确实是关键

作为REFCO的职员，在介绍REFCO108时候有两种可能性：
1。 不知道REFCO108.com所属的REFCO CAPITAL MARKET 是注册在一些没有监管的离岸地区， 这种可能性的% 有多大？？？

2。 知道，不过是否把这个事实告知给广大客户，就是这个职员本身的权利了。 同时，也是这个职员的个人良知了。

tangchao

好象是美国纽约南破产法院给RCM的客户发信了,应该是按11章了,中国的客户按什么算未知,呵呵,英文不灵了.

ricky

英文呢？ 呵呵，反正我只拿它当故事看了。

chf

Bermuda subsidiary not in Refco deal

WASHINGTON (Dow Jones) ?A US Federal bankruptcy judge has granted troubled commodity brokerage Refco Inc. partial approval to pay a group of employees up to $4.1 million in bonuses and severance, but the agreement does not cover employees of Refco Capital Markets, a Bermuda-based unit.
US Bankruptcy Judge Robert D. Drain on Friday signed off on Refco's bid to pay 24 employees the incentive bonuses. And Drain held off on approving bonuses for 14 employees of Refco's scandal-ridden offshore unit Refco Capital Markets Ltd.
Under the second part of a three-part incentive plan, Refco had sought court permission to pay up to $3.2 million to 38 employees who have decided to stay with the company as it winds down operations over the next year. The company also sought to dish out nearly $900,000 in severance payments.
But a group of Refco's noteholders had objected to the bonuses payment, saying they're alarmed by costs racked up by the company's "ever-expanding army of professionals".
Drain discounted the noteholders' objection but said he would consider, at an April 19 hearing, objections from Refco Capital Markets' Chapter 11 bankruptcy trustee or the brokerage's unsecured-creditors committee.
A Chapter 11 trustee was named last month to take control of Refco Capital Markets daily operations and oversee its liquidation. If there are no objections, Drain said he'd approve the bonuses for RCM employees.
Refco Capital Markets, an unregulated broker-dealer based in Bermuda, has drawn more lawsuits than any other Refco unit.
The offshore unit's customers began fleeing soon after Refco disclosed last year that its former chief executive, Phillip Bennett, had hidden hundreds of millions in bad debt. To halt the exodus, RCM barred customers from withdrawing their funds.
Separately, Drain approved the sale of Refco's stake in its Hong Kong subsidiary for about $9.1 million to a unit of agribusiness giant Archer Daniels Midland.
Refco tried to include Refco Hong Kong in a global sale of its assets. But the purchaser of most of those assets, Man Financial Inc. of the UK, wasn't interested.
The brokerage said the sale price is the best the company can get after Hong Kong authorities had threatened to liquidate the unit. Refco once was the largest independent commodity broker in the US.
It filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection last October after the scandal over allegations that Bennett had hidden hid $430 million in bad debt.
Since then, the company has sold its flagship business to Man Financial and is in the process of winding down its remaining operations.
A federal grand jury and the Securities and Exchange Commission are investigating allegations of wrongdoing by the company.
Bennett stepped down from Refco in January and is awaiting trial on securities fraud. Bennett faces up to 20 years in prison. He has denied any wrongdoing.

笑话，居然法官同意了REFCO的4百多万美金的奖金方案，即使不包含Refco Capital Markets，也是超级笑话。
特别是Refco Capital Markets里面很多人都是同时在REFCO下面其他公司有交叉工作的。
荒唐荒唐，可怜的Refco Capital Markets帐户持有人资金还无法收回居然看到REFCO分奖金。

现实，REFCO香港只卖了9百万美金， （内幕，居然MAN对REFCO香港公司不感兴趣，而香港当局威胁要把REFCO香港清盘）

chf

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Investor Jim Rogers faces new Refco lawsuit
Thu Apr 6, 2006 9:07 PM ET
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NEW YORK, April 6 (Reuters) - Prominent investor Jim Rogers and his Beeland Management Co. face a new lawsuit over the transfer of assets to an unregulated unit of Refco Inc. (RFXCQ.PK: Quote, Profile, Research), a futures and commodities broker that filed for bankruptcy protection, court papers show.

In a lawsuit filed this week with the U.S. District Court in Manhattan, Dynasty Invest Ltd. and the Sulam Trust, which are limited partners of the Rogers Raw Materials Fund LP, accused Rogers, Beeland and others of breaching their fiduciary duties to the fund.

Beeland is the general partner of the Rogers Raw Materials Fund. Rogers is Beeland's principal owner.

A call to a lawyer for Rogers and Beeland was not immediately returned. Refco filed for Chapter 11 protection from creditors last Oct. 17.

Dynasty and Sulam accused the defendants of allowing the transfer of well over 80 percent of the fund's assets to Refco Capital Markets Ltd. from segregated, regulated customer accounts at Man Financial Inc. and Harris N.A.

They said the assets are frozen and may be deemed part of Refco's bankruptcy estate, relegating the fund to a status as a Refco Capital Markets unsecured creditor.

Dynasty and Sulam said they had $26.4 million of investments in the fund as of Sept. 30, 2005. They are seeking to hold the defendants liable for losses at the fund, and to make the fund whole.

In January, two other investors sued Rogers and Beeland for breaching their fiduciary duties to the Rogers International Raw Materials Fund LP over the transfer of "hundreds of millions of dollars" of assets to Refco.

Last October, the two Rogers funds sued Refco for the immediate return of $362 million of assets. They said funds were improperly transferred to Refco Capital Markets from Refco LLC, a regulated unit.

Jim Rogers was a co-founder of the Quantum Fund with another well-known investor, George Soros. He later became the best-selling author of "Investment Biker" and "Adventure Capitalist," which chronicled his treks around the world on a motorcycle and a specially-built Mercedes

乱， 去年10月 Rogers funds 告REFCO 归还3亿6千2百万被不适当地从REFCO LLC转移到RCM，怎么至今没有结果呢？
现在 Rogers funds 的有限责任合伙人告 Rogers funds 关于相关的这些资金了，美国的法庭也是能拖呀

tom

http://www.refcoclaimsdocket.com/Refco/files/frmPOCF.aspx?cboclient=794&type=

这里有个REFCO客户登记表，REFCOFX， RCM是不同的选择。
但是为什么至今我没有收到过REFCOFX给我的EMAIL通知呢？比较滑稽，建议老大去查询一下REFCOFX公布的那个咨询电话。

不过我还是坚持直接用我的方法走人，求这些美国律师不如找我TOM了。呵呵

hu

你们不会没理解 法院通知的意义吧？登记债权等于是说RCM已经完全没有挽救的余地了。等着同那些几亿美金的债主一起分RCM的资产，对于我们中国汇民的资金来说，等于是说绝大部门的资金没可能收回了。

9、关于RCM、REFCO108和Refco FX Associates LLC
RCM的全称是：REFCO CAPITAL MARKETS，LTD，注册地是百慕大，在美国破产法庭的案件编号是05-60018。REFCO108是RCM的一个代理运营的网站，中国客户大多数应是通过REFCO108在RCM开户，或者换句话讲，REFCO108的客户都是RCM的客户，至于Refco FX Associates LLC，它的注册地是美国纽约，所运营的网站是WWW.REFCOFX.COM，FXCM声称要收购的正是这部分，在美国破产法庭的案件编号是05-60023。估计国内有一部分客户是在REFCOFX开的户，那就要联络REFCOFX才能知道结果。因此，提醒大家首先要搞清楚自己是在RCM还是REFCOFX开的户。
10、关于REFCO108客户（也就是RCM的客户）目前收到的文件（截止2006年4月9日）
目前共有三个邮件寄到客户登记的地址：一是2006年1月前后收到的一封信（1页纸），内容是账户余额和持仓头寸明细；二是4月7日前后收到的信（6页纸），内容是破产清算通知和索赔表格；三是4月9日前后收到的信（1页），内容是瑞富进入破产清算程序的通知（和第2封信中第一页的内容相同）；
11、关于怎样确认美国破产法庭是否收到了索赔表格
在RCM客户索赔表中，明确说明了：在收到客户寄来的表格后，索赔代理机构会给客户寄来确认邮件。
以下为外汇通网站（www.forex.com.cn）翻译的破产法庭发给客户的第二封信，仅供参考，请以英文原文为准，如对译文有任何疑义，请与外汇通网站秦先生联系：010-65257338。

REFCO108是RCM的一个代理运营的网站，中国客户大多数应是通过REFCO108在RCM开户

外汇通恶心地宣传，难道忘记
除了REFCO专家的功劳，这也在于当年 外汇通网站（www.forex.com.cn） 为REFCO108做的巨大贡献呀，佣金也应该收了不少呀。

可怜了普通汇民

vieok

来源 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/refcofxaccountholders/message/825

Robert:
Be very careful wrt a POC,  the one I received was from RefcoInc.
This is the futures arm.   I am in the process of filing a POC
against Refcofx.  The ways I understand it is you need to be VERY
VERY careful with these forms.  The US courts are such that ANY
wrong entry can get the entire claim thrown out later on a
technicality and you may thus forfit your funds, rights, etc.  I
would strongly suggest you spend a few bucks and get your attorney
to file it for you.  My attorney told me a wrong move early, ie.
POC, can cause serious headaches later on. Also, he agreed with my
position that I as we all are....are not creditors,  we are account
holders and those fall under a different catagory.  By filling out
creditor you muddy the water significantly.  I believe that is one
of the reasons Refco has the forms on their site, hoping most of us
will incorrectly fill out the forms, or acknowledge creditor status,
which I will be damned if I will do.  I think there is an area
for "other" someplace on the form,  my attorney is going to attach
some other stuff also, (I think wording that keeps my rights later
on such as for classaction status, or damages), but I will not know
until next week sometime.  So be careful in that you do not give up
any of your all important legal rights. Its a game attorneys love to
play which is why there are so many of them in this country.

Hope this helps,
Jerry G.

vieok

REFCOFX 客户慎填POC表，否则可能落如律师的圈套，

everok

Refco: Weak Regulatory, Technology Links Exposed

http://securitiesindustry.com/article.cfm?articleid=16316

By John Hintze, Correspondent



October 24, 2005 - The demise of New York-based derivatives brokerage Refco, a rapid-fire chain reaction that began with the revelation this month of an improper company loan to its CEO and culminated in a Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing last week, is shedding light on the dark side of the technologies and communications links that keep markets moving at ever-accelerating electronic speeds.


Refco, which went public in August, has long been a sizable and influential provider of products for managing market risks, but now it is sending ripples of concern throughout the securities industry. Those reverberations have so far appeared to have little effect on larger financial institutions, but smaller firms that depended on Refco's services were scrambling to find replacements and questioning the failure of regulators to prevent the situation from deteriorating as fast as it did.


"We get virtually no information. The place is out of control," complained Glenn Grossman, founder of Dinosaur Securities, referring to Refco's clearing unit. "We don't have any idea what's going on, so we've decided to leave."


Montecito AdvisorsDinosaur was one of at least 11 customers that Refco had attracted to the clearing business that it started a little over a year ago, according to the National Securities Clearing Corp. Grossman and Elie Genadry, chairman of Montecito Advisors, another Refco correspondent, both criticized the regulatory response. Genadry recalled how quickly the Federal Reserve Board intervened in the 1998 Long-Term Capital Management crisis, which served to awaken regulators globally to the potential systemic risks posed by hedge funds (which also happen to be major players in the markets served by Refco's brokerage businesses). More recently, however, the Securities and Exchange Commission took some heat for failing to rein in the brokerage affiliate of the scandal-plagued Bayou Group hedge fund (Securities Industry News, Sept. 5).


Refco's collapse left clearing correspondents unable to execute purchase orders for customers. It is virtually impossible to find and convert to a new clearer overnight.


"It's a horrendous experience," said Genadry. "I don't understand how the regulators would allow a clearing firm to shut down on a moment's notice--we got an e-mail saying the firm was no longer accepting orders."


Genadry said half his firm's business--prime brokerage catering to small- and medium-size hedge funds and proprietary traders--cleared through Refco. Affected clients "gave us a few days to figure out what to do," he added. "We called Refco and they didn't know anything. The few employees left there are overworked and looking for new jobs themselves." He added that, as a practical matter, Montecito has lost its prime brokerage customers.


All that disarray is on the regulated side of Refco's business--in this case broker-dealer Refco Securities, where accounts are insured by the Securities Investor Protection Corp. The uninsured Refco Capital Markets unit announced a 15-day trading moratorium on Oct. 13, allowing clients to liquidate assets and receive the funds at the end of the period. Those clients engage in foreign exchange and other over-the-counter derivatives trading. For those that worked through collateralized accounts at Refco, their business is on hold at least until the end of the moratorium.


"Clients would be unable to move outside Refco without putting up collateral with [a new broker], and that collateral may now be tied to Refco," explained David Poole, chief operating officer and principal of U.K. consulting firm Client-Knowledge.


Technological Downside
Just as technological advances have made financial markets, and in many cases advanced and complex financial instruments, accessible to large and small firms alike, they have also exposed the more vulnerable participants--those that may not have been able to diversify their accounts across multiple firms--to new levels of risk and volatility. Many Refco Capital Markets clients were small and midsize hedge funds and proprietary traders taking advantage of high-tech order entry and trading capabilities in currencies.


"Any of those firms with significant [concentration of] assets with Refco are going to be in serious trouble," said Steve Demarest, president of MB Trading, which offers a direct-access FX trading platform. "Anybody else that diversified or had minimum funds on deposit with Refco should not be affected." Demarest said MB had stopped using Refco before its problems emerged, because currency trading prices were too high.


The diversification issue also arises for firms that partnered with Refco. Forex Capital Markets (FXCM) of New York advertises itself as the "largest nonbank futures commission merchant" (FCM) dealing in foreign currencies. It claims to have over 50,000 accounts and 400 institutional clients. Refco noted in its IPO prospectus that it owned 35 percent of FXCM, worth about $55 million. Refco reportedly offered FXCM's order management system to customers but, noted a source familiar with Refco who asked not to be named, there was likely a "tighter relationship, and perhaps FXCM sent all or most of its order flow through Refco."


If so, FXCM, which on its Web site no longer highlights its connection to Refco, must find a new destination for its orders before it loses customers to competing platforms. Friedberg Mercantile Group, a Canadian FCM in which Refco holds a 50 percent stake, is likely in similar straits.


Montecito AdvisorsAn executive at FXCM said the firm's legal counsel advised employees not to talk to the press, and Friedberg Mercantile did not respond to inquiries last week. Also not answering questions was Currenex, a six-year-old foreign exchange marketplace that distributed its order-entry system through Refco on a white-label basis. It clearly has lost a customer for its front end and may have lost a significant order-flow destination.


"It may be causing some headaches, and they may have to do more manual trades in the short term, but they probably have other channels to push business down," said Poole. "They may have to set up some new collateral arrangements, but that will just take time."


Said the principal of a Chicago-based brokerage in exchange-traded and OTC derivatives that was a significant Refco customer, "We're trying to rebuild years of relationships in a few days."


Another firm in which Refco held a stake--unmentioned in its IPO prospectus, its size not disclosed--is Advanced Currency Markets, a Geneva-based equivalent of an FCM. Nicholas Bang, a partner and managing director at the firm, said last week that ACM was seeking to buy back the stake. He added that Refco had offered ACM's order management software for about a year. "There wasn't a lot of business there," Bang said. ACM used the U.S. brokerage as an order destination, but he suggested that the trading relationship was limited. "The loss for us is very minimal; it doesn't affect our business," Bang said.


Refco was drawn to the e-trading FCMs to capture order flow and leverage their technology. ACM's Internet-based order management system, for example, incorporates flash technology and doesn't require downloading of software.


Buyout Potential
Refco's problems could be growth opportunities for others. Greenwich, Conn.-based Interactive Brokers Group (IBG), the privately held parent of market maker Timber Hill Group and operator of a technologically advanced, global, multi-asset-class trading network, launched a $1 million ad campaign to attract disaffected Refco customers.


"The point of the campaign wasn't necessarily to get thousands of transfers in the next week--it was from more of a branding perspective to tell people we have a better technology platform, and you're better off with us," said Steve Sanders, IBG managing director of business development. In contrast to his firm's technology, he deemed Refco's to be antiquated, with much of its trading conducted over the phone.


On Thursday IBG turned its pursuit up a notch when it offered to top the $768 million acquisition bid for Refco's regulated futures and commodities trading businesses that had been accepted earlier from JC Flowers & Co.


Competing FX trading platforms also hope Refco's collapse will prompt investors to give them a look. Three-year-old CoesFX touts the "fairness" of its transaction-based fee and does not have a proprietary desk of traders who could trade against customers' interests.


"We've seen a tremendous influx of hits on our Web site and phone calls--folks saying I have X number of users and I'm looking for another platform,'" said Ronald Balzano, president of CoesFX. "This may be an eye opener for the general public: You should diversify the platforms you use."


On the clearing side, Genadry said he chose Refco for his prime brokerage activity primarily based on price. Montecito's registered investment adviser transactions go through Fidelity Investments' National Financial, which does not clear prime broker-type business.


Grossman said having investors' money trapped in Refco as it works out its problems may bode poorly for the U.S.'s reputation as a safe investment environment. Going forward, Dinosaur Securities won't be taking any chances with a single clearing firm.


"We've signed on with Penson and we're looking to go with someone else," Grossman said.

老新闻，中间关于FXCM的话很好玩，不见得真实，不过确实同以前FXCM自己的那些绑REFCO这个“大山”时候的介绍很结合。

sunzhee

[quote:3d23ed7abd="vieok"]REFCOFX 客户慎填POC表，否则可能落如律师的圈套，[/quote]

登记债权都能有什么圈套呢，可否略微指点一下~

tom

你成了债主 ，同你自己本来是客人的身份是不同的！
什么是债主？？？

gecko

为什么总有人认为不经过努力就可以原封不动的拿回被冻结的资产呢？美国破产法院是为了保护无所作为者的吗？

alren

[quote:8e5a1f0315="tom"][quote:8e5a1f0315="tonylsf"]tom的方法我看不到啊，也看不明白，可以举个示范吗？[/quote]兄弟有什么问题直接在我那个帖子回帖，不要在这里谈。谢谢。[/quote]

老大,能否将你的方法email给我，我的资金在refco fx 中，到现在都不知道怎么办，renxf@hotmail.com

chf

[quote:9ba86e1f11="tom"]你成了债主 ，同你自己本来是客人的身份是不同的！
什么是债主？？？[/quote]

[quote:9ba86e1f11="gecko"]为什么总有人认为不经过努力就可以原封不动的拿回被冻结的资产呢？美国破产法院是为了保护无所作为者的吗？[/quote]


在REFCOFX还有资金的汇友注意：
1。 按照TOM的方法立即执行，用最快的方法，最少的成本 把资金弄出来。
如果看不到，没有关系，立即联系TOM，或者其他斑竹，提供自己确实拥有REFCOFX交易帐户的证明。
为什么这么谨慎，TOM说过了，就是为了避免REFCOFX的走狗泄露了这个消息，而让REFCOFX干扰大家的资金拯救。

2。 千万不要填写那个针对REFCO108（RCM）帐户的所谓债务申报单， 那个单子完全是让那些客户成了REFCO108的债主，而不是拥有开户资金的普通客户。
作为债主，他们的资金将同其他更大的债主共同清算，实际最后所得能超过10%就算老天开恩了。



在REFCO108有资金的汇友注意：


1。 REFCO108的客户应该联合起来，在中国境内直接起诉那些当时替REFCO108宣传的公司/网站，只有抓住这些在中国境内仍然存在的实体，才可以更大可能地挽救自己的资金。

2。 大家应该联合起来提出证据，共同登记自己在REFCO108（RCM）无法提出的资金总量。
先清算这些在中国境内的IB代理，同时，让中国媒体知道这些数据，这个事情要闹大才可以，这样才可以通过广大公众的压力，来让中国政府的一些监管机构出面，直接干预这个问题


3。如果大家都跑到美国法院登记去了，结果只能是任人宰割，试问，现在有几个人知道美国破产法庭的具体措施是什么？ 为什么那些REFCO108的中国境内的IB这么高调地让大家填写那个表格？
作为交易资金的所有人，为什么要去登记债务？你们当时谁是把钱贷款给了REFCO108 ？？

4。在中国境内的汇友，大部分都是在REFCO108开的帐户，而在中国境内的那些REFCO108的IB跑不了这个责任。所以他们的那些论坛/网站都不会公开说明这个实际的问题， 甚至为了自己的利益，会不谋而合地扼杀/屏蔽这种REFCO108客户联合起来讨债的观点以及相关讨论。

5。所以FXFORUM 作为REFCOFX华人客户拯救资金的基地，绝对不要抛弃那些无知的REFCO108客户（说无知，实在是事实，当年在REFCO108开户就是无知，REFCO出事情以后，只要根据TOM的建议，早也就跑了出来。现在仍然在那里有大笔资金没有出来，当然是无知。

无知没有罪，欢迎REFCO108的汇友互相转告 我的建议，大家联合起来，大家互相帮助，联合起来找回资金。

chf

写完以后，突然发现 今天是 耶稣受难日，千万不是客户受难日，大家的资金要复活，复活节就在眼前。

祝愿所有汇友早日拿回资金。（不是只拿到10% ）

bsw

收到这个，不知该怎么办？

UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
------------------------------------------------------------------------x
:
In re   :       Chapter 11
:
REFCO INC., et al.,     :       Case No. 05-60006 (RDD)
:
:       (Jointly Administered)
Debtors.        :      
------------------------------------------------------------------------x

NOTICE OF COMMENCEMENT OF CHAPTER 11
BANKRUPTCY CASES AND MEETING OF CREDITORS

On October 17, 2005, the debtors and debtors-in-possession in the above-captioned cases (collectively, the "Debtors") filed voluntary petitions for relief under chapter 11 of title 11 of the United States Code, 11 U.S.C. §§  101 - 1532 (the "Bankruptcy Code").  A list of the Debtors, and their respective addresses, case numbers and federal tax identification numbers is provided herein.

DATE, TIME AND LOCATION OF MEETING OF CREDITORS.  April 18, 2006, at 10 a.m., prevailing Eastern Time, at the New York Marriot Marquis, 1535 Broadway,  Marquis Ball Room, New York, New York 10036.

NAME, ADDRESS AND TELEPHONE NUMBER OF TRUSTEE.  None appointed to date; however, the Court has directed the United State Trustee to appoint a chapter 11 trustee in the case of Refco Capital Markets, Ltd.  To date, no such chapter 11 trustee has been appointed.

COUNSEL FOR THE DEBTORS.
Sally McDonald Henry
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP
4 Times Square
New York, New York 10036

COMMENCEMENT OF CASES.  Petitions for relief under chapter 11 of the Bankruptcy Code have been filed in this Court by the Debtors, and orders for relief have been entered.  You will not receive notice of all documents filed in these cases.  All documents filed with the Court, including lists of the Debtors' property and debts, will be available for inspection at the Office of the Clerk of the Bankruptcy Court.  In addition, such documents may be available online free of charge at http://www.refcodocket.com or, for a fee, on the Court's website, http://www.nysb.uscourts.gov, and can be viewed with a PACER password (to obtain a PACER password, go to the PACER website, http://pacer.psc.uscourts.gov).

PURPOSE OF CHAPTER 11 FILING.  Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code enables a debtor to reorganize pursuant to a plan.  A plan is not effective unless approved by the Court at a confirmation hearing.  Creditors will be given notice concerning any plan.  The Debtors will remain in possession of their property and will continue to administer their estates unless a trustee is appointed.

CREDITORS MAY NOT TAKE CERTAIN ACTIONS.  A creditor is anyone to whom a debtor owes money or property.  Under the Bankruptcy Code, a debtor is granted certain protection against creditors.  Common examples of prohibited actions by creditors are contacting a debtor to demand repayment, taking action against a debtor to collect money owed to creditors or to take property of a debtor, and starting or continuing foreclosure actions or repossessions.  If unauthorized actions are taken by a creditor against a debtor, the Court may penalize that creditor.  A creditor who is considering taking action against a debtor or the property of a debtor should review § 362 of the Bankruptcy Code and may wish to seek legal advice.  The staff of the Clerk of the Bankruptcy Court are not permitted to give legal advice.

MEETING OF CREDITORS.  The Debtors' representative, as specified in Rule 9001(5) of the Federal Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure (the "Bankruptcy Rules"), is required to appear at the meeting of creditors on the date and at the place set forth above for the purpose of being examined under oath.  Attendance by creditors at the meeting is welcomed, but not required.  At the meeting, the creditors may examine the Debtors and transact such other business as may properly come before the meeting.  The meeting may be continued or adjourned from time to time by notice at the meeting, without further written notice to the creditors.

CLAIMS.  Schedules of creditors have been filed pursuant to Bankruptcy Rule 1007.  Any creditor holding a scheduled claim which is not listed as disputed, contingent, or unliquidated as to amount may, but is not required to, file a proof of claim in these cases.  Creditors whose claims are not scheduled or whose claims are listed as disputed, contingent, or unliquidated as to amount and who desire to participate in the cases or share in any distribution must file their proofs of claim.  A creditor who desires to rely on the schedule of creditors has the responsibility for determining that the claim is listed accurately.  Separate notice of the deadlines to file proofs of claim and proof of claim forms will be provided to the Debtors' known creditors.  Proof of claim forms are available in the clerk's office of any bankruptcy court. Proof of claim forms are also available at http://www.refcoclaimsdocket.com. Proof of claim forms may be filed at the following address:  


By mail:
United States Bankruptcy Court, Southern District of New York
P.O. Box 5175
Bowling Green Station
New York, New York 10274 5043

By hand or overnight courier:
United States Bankruptcy Court, Southern District of New York
One Bowling Green
Room 534
New York, New York 10004-1408

DISCHARGE OF DEBTS.  Confirmation of a chapter 11 plan may result in a discharge of debts, which may include all or part of your debt.  See Bankruptcy Code § 1141(d).  A discharge means that you may never try to collect the debt from the debtor, except as provided in the plan.

For the Court:  Kathleen Farrell-Willoughby                     Dated:  March 24, 2006                           
Clerk of Court
United States Bankruptcy Court for the
Southern District of New York



DEBTOR
ADDRESS
CASE NO.
Tax Id. No.

Refco Inc.
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60006
20-2537426

Bersec International LLC
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60009
52-2169015

Kroeck & Associates, LLC
1030 West Van Buren
Chicago, Illinois 60607
05-60019
36-4347337

Marshall Metals LLC
29 Dumont Road
Far Hills, NJ 07931
05-60012
52-2169020

New Refco Group Ltd., LLC
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60014
71-0969138

Refco Administration LLC
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60020
52-2169052

Refco Capital LLC
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60022
52-2169060

Refco Capital Holdings LLC
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60017
52-2169021

Refco Capital Management LLC
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60010
52-2169050

Refco Capital Markets, LTD
Rosebank Building,
12 Bermudian Road
Hamilton HMII, Bermuda
05-60018
N/A

Refco Capital Trading LLC
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60026
52-2169049

Refco Finance Inc.
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60016
20-1400416

Refco Financial LLC
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60013
52-2169047

Refco Fixed Assets Management LLC
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60029
52-2169022

Refco F/X Associates LLC
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60023
52-2169046

Refco Global Capital Management LLC
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60011
20-1717081

Refco Global Finance Ltd.
Rosebank Building ,
12 Bermudian Road
Hamilton HMII, Bermuda
05-60007
N/A

Refco Global Futures LLC
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60024
52-2169038

Refco Global Holdings LLC
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60028
52-2169057

Refco Group Ltd., LLC
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60027
52-2169014

Refco Information Services LLC
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60008
52-2169833

Refco Mortgage Securities, LLC
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60021
52-2169023

Refco Regulated Companies LLC
One World Financial
200 Liberty Street, Tower A
New York, New York 10281
05-60015
52-2169025

Summit Management LLC
550 West Jackson Blvd.
Suite 1300
Chicago, IL 60661
05-60025
52-2169028

ricky

CHF 都已经写了要你怎么做，你还贴这个破产法庭的通知干吗呢？

建议在REFCO108 还有资金的朋友，

1。都在签名栏登记一下自己的资金量
2。 直接把最后的交易报表保存成HTML文件，提交给everok 老大。

tom

[quote:546b3f2338="ricky"]CHF 都已经写了要你怎么做

建议在REFCO108 还有资金的朋友，

1。都在签名栏登记一下自己的资金量
2。 直接把最后的交易报表保存成HTML文件，提交给everok 老大。[/quote]

everok

[quote:85fe543c21="chf"][quote:85fe543c21="tom"]你成了债主 ，同你自己本来是客人的身份是不同的！
什么是债主？？？[/quote]

[quote:85fe543c21="gecko"]为什么总有人认为不经过努力就可以原封不动的拿回被冻结的资产呢？美国破产法院是为了保护无所作为者的吗？[/quote]


在REFCOFX还有资金的汇友注意：
1。 按照TOM的方法立即执行，用最快的方法，最少的成本 把资金弄出来。
如果看不到，没有关系，立即联系TOM，或者其他斑竹，提供自己确实拥有REFCOFX交易帐户的证明。
为什么这么谨慎，TOM说过了，就是为了避免REFCOFX的走狗泄露了这个消息，而让REFCOFX干扰大家的资金拯救。

2。 千万不要填写那个针对REFCO108（RCM）帐户的所谓债务申报单， 那个单子完全是让那些客户成了REFCO108的债主，而不是拥有开户资金的普通客户。
作为债主，他们的资金将同其他更大的债主共同清算，实际最后所得能超过10%就算老天开恩了。



在REFCO108有资金的汇友注意：


1。 REFCO108的客户应该联合起来，在中国境内直接起诉那些当时替REFCO108宣传的公司/网站，只有抓住这些在中国境内仍然存在的实体，才可以更大可能地挽救自己的资金。

2。 大家应该联合起来提出证据，共同登记自己在REFCO108（RCM）无法提出的资金总量。
先清算这些在中国境内的IB代理，同时，让中国媒体知道这些数据，这个事情要闹大才可以，这样才可以通过广大公众的压力，来让中国政府的一些监管机构出面，直接干预这个问题


3。如果大家都跑到美国法院登记去了，结果只能是任人宰割，试问，现在有几个人知道美国破产法庭的具体措施是什么？ 为什么那些REFCO108的中国境内的IB这么高调地让大家填写那个表格？
作为交易资金的所有人，为什么要去登记债务？你们当时谁是把钱贷款给了REFCO108 ？？

4。在中国境内的汇友，大部分都是在REFCO108开的帐户，而在中国境内的那些REFCO108的IB跑不了这个责任。所以他们的那些论坛/网站都不会公开说明这个实际的问题， 甚至为了自己的利益，会不谋而合地扼杀/屏蔽这种REFCO108客户联合起来讨债的观点以及相关讨论。

5。所以FXFORUM 作为REFCOFX华人客户拯救资金的基地，绝对不要抛弃那些无知的REFCO108客户（说无知，实在是事实，当年在REFCO108开户就是无知，REFCO出事情以后，只要根据TOM的建议，早也就跑了出来。现在仍然在那里有大笔资金没有出来，当然是无知。

无知没有罪，欢迎REFCO108的汇友互相转告 我的建议，大家联合起来，大家互相帮助，联合起来找回资金。[/quote]


FXFORUM 强力推荐大家把以下文字所有你认识的REFCO帐户受害人。

给REFCO108客户的公开信         
http://www.fxforum.com/p/viewtopic.php?p=31289#31289

twotwo

RCM瑞富资本公司的“庞氏骗局"
　　瑞富的客户认为，瑞富资本市场公司(Refco Capital MarketsLtd，下称“RCM”)利用客户投资的资金收购公司以及支付开支，是一个典型的庞氏骗局(Ponzischeme)。而如果定性，RCM将成为瑞富破产案中的关键 。瑞富曾是全球最大的非银行期货经纪商。RCM108至少有1000多名中国客户遭遇被骗。

　　庞氏骗局的名字来源于一个叫查里斯·庞氏的美国人。庞氏骗局实质上是将后一轮投资者的投资作为投资收益支付给前一轮的投资者，依此类推使卷入的人和资金越来越多。

　　“有证据证明这不是一个合法的公司，这是一个庞氏骗局。”瑞富客户的律师托马斯·莫洛尼(Thomas Moloney)在1 4 日的听证会上向纽约的破产法官罗伯特·特瑞恩(Robert Drain)这样表示，有125人涌入了当天的听证会。

　　莫洛尼所代表的瑞富客户拥有17亿美元的债券，他们希望马上清算RCM，并将其拥有的现金以及债券归还给客户。



　　“我无论如何也想不到他们就这么简单地将客户的资产转入本奈特(瑞富前CEO)的名下用作邪恶的用途，而这就是他们的经营模式。”莫斯科对冲基金VRGlobal Partners 的主席理查德(RichardDeitz)在作证时表示，瑞富的破产使得VR Global Partners 面临着巨大的困难。根据理查德的证词， VR Global Partners 自从2001 年9月份开始与RCM有业务往来,在此前VR Global Partners 管理着10亿美元的资产，而他们陷入瑞富的资金就超过了7亿美元。

　　不过他们的建议却遭到了另外一些债权人的反对，显然瑞富公司(RefcoInc)的无担保债权人认为此举将伤害他们的利益，瑞富公司是RCM的母公司。

　　双方争论的焦点集中到了RCM的定性上，也就是这家公司是否只是一家股票经纪公司。因为根据美国破产法的规定，股票经纪公司在破产中应该进入清算并将资产返还给客户，不过目前美国破产法庭却允许这家公司继续经营。

　　“我并不是将我的证券借给RCM，我只是存放在那里。”理查德坚信RCM是一家股票经纪公司，因为它将VR Global Partners的证券存在一个保管人账户。

　　不过RCM却不认为自己是一个股票经纪公司。

　　“我们完全反对清算。”RCM的代表律师Anthony Clark 表示，“RCM不是一个股票经纪公司，这个建议真是垃圾。”

　　而纽约的Abadi&Co的建议是卖掉RCM，从而RCM可以得到23%到65%的赔偿。

　　“我们的建议将防止RCM客户的自相残杀，从而创造最大的价值。”Abadi 的律师Richard Smolev 表示。

　　目前RCM的命运掌握到了破产法庭的手中，特瑞恩的判决将决定RCM何去何从以及RCM客户42亿美元的债券到底可以拿回多少。

everok

[quote:96c07c5ef3="everok"][quote:96c07c5ef3="chf"][quote:96c07c5ef3="tom"]你成了债主 ，同你自己本来是客人的身份是不同的！
什么是债主？？？[/quote]

[quote:96c07c5ef3="gecko"]为什么总有人认为不经过努力就可以原封不动的拿回被冻结的资产呢？美国破产法院是为了保护无所作为者的吗？[/quote]


在REFCOFX还有资金的汇友注意：
1。 按照TOM的方法立即执行，用最快的方法，最少的成本 把资金弄出来。
如果看不到，没有关系，立即联系TOM，或者其他斑竹，提供自己确实拥有REFCOFX交易帐户的证明。
为什么这么谨慎，TOM说过了，就是为了避免REFCOFX的走狗泄露了这个消息，而让REFCOFX干扰大家的资金拯救。

2。 千万不要填写那个针对REFCO108（RCM）帐户的所谓债务申报单， 那个单子完全是让那些客户成了REFCO108的债主，而不是拥有开户资金的普通客户。
作为债主，他们的资金将同其他更大的债主共同清算，实际最后所得能超过10%就算老天开恩了。



在REFCO108有资金的汇友注意：


1。 REFCO108的客户应该联合起来，在中国境内直接起诉那些当时替REFCO108宣传的公司/网站，只有抓住这些在中国境内仍然存在的实体，才可以更大可能地挽救自己的资金。

2。 大家应该联合起来提出证据，共同登记自己在REFCO108（RCM）无法提出的资金总量。
先清算这些在中国境内的IB代理，同时，让中国媒体知道这些数据，这个事情要闹大才可以，这样才可以通过广大公众的压力，来让中国政府的一些监管机构出面，直接干预这个问题


3。如果大家都跑到美国法院登记去了，结果只能是任人宰割，试问，现在有几个人知道美国破产法庭的具体措施是什么？ 为什么那些REFCO108的中国境内的IB这么高调地让大家填写那个表格？
作为交易资金的所有人，为什么要去登记债务？你们当时谁是把钱贷款给了REFCO108 ？？

4。在中国境内的汇友，大部分都是在REFCO108开的帐户，而在中国境内的那些REFCO108的IB跑不了这个责任。所以他们的那些论坛/网站都不会公开说明这个实际的问题， 甚至为了自己的利益，会不谋而合地扼杀/屏蔽这种REFCO108客户联合起来讨债的观点以及相关讨论。

5。所以FXFORUM 作为REFCOFX华人客户拯救资金的基地，绝对不要抛弃那些无知的REFCO108客户（说无知，实在是事实，当年在REFCO108开户就是无知，REFCO出事情以后，只要根据TOM的建议，早也就跑了出来。现在仍然在那里有大笔资金没有出来，当然是无知。

无知没有罪，欢迎REFCO108的汇友互相转告 我的建议，大家联合起来，大家互相帮助，联合起来找回资金。[/quote]


FXFORUM 强力推荐大家把以下文字所有你认识的REFCO帐户受害人。

给REFCO108客户的公开信         
http://www.fxforum.com/p/viewtopic.php?p=31289#31289[/quote]

有生以来第1次看到了 RCM 的交易报表

综合帐号结算报告

报表周期  从 2005-8-31 17:00:00 through  2006-4-17 2:43:00
User Name:   xxxxxxxxxxx

Refco Capital Market, Ltd
48 Par La Ville Rd. Suite 542 Hamilton HM11 Bermuda

我认为RCM（REFCO108）的客户 除了按照上面CHF的建议， 还应该立即搜集/保留所有REFCO108以及其IB的中文宣传资料， 我印象中当时的开户协议都是显示香港或者美国的REFCO地址，从来没有这个Bermuda 的。
联合欺诈？？？

hu

当年相信那些REFCO108的IB就是无知，现在绝对不能再次无知地填写那个表格了。

tom

在REFCOFX帐户仍然有资金的朋友如果看不到我的策略，请直接联系EVEROK，提供确实拥有REFCOFX交易帐户的证明。
只要EVEROK认可，就会直接给你设定权限。

请不要给我留言，我没时间去识别你是否真的是帐户持有人还是替REFCO通风报信的

resourceman

Refco fraud could have been found sooner: investors

By Dan Wilchins
Reuters
Tuesday, April 4, 2006; 7:33 PM

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Refco Inc.'s auditors and underwriters ignored documents that should have raised red flags about questionable loans involving the futures broker, according to a complaint filed by investors.

The complaint, filed Monday as part of a consolidated shareholder and bond investor lawsuit, blames dozens of parties including Credit Suisse Group Inc. <CSGN.VX>, Bank of America Corp. <BAC.N>, Deutsche Bank AG <DBKGn.DE> and auditor Grant Thornton for not uncovering Refco's fraud sooner.


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According to the complaint, Grant Thornton in 2004 received confirmation that Refco Capital Markets lent $335 million to a customer just three days before the end of Refco's fiscal year in February 2002.

That $335 million loan was in fact designed to hide bad customer loans on Refco's balance sheet, the complaint said, and was one of 11 similar transactions involving Refco.

Refco's announcement in October 2005 of $430 million of bad loans to customers was the beginning of the end for the broker, which filed for bankruptcy protection the following week. A spokesman for Refco was not immediately available for comment.

Grant Thornton should have asked questions about a large loan taking place days before the end of the quarter, said Sean Coffey, a lawyer for Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann, one of the firms representing plaintiffs.

"Grant Thornton's audits amounted to no audits at all," Coffey said on Tuesday.

A spokeswoman for the accounting firm said in a statement that Grant Thornton notified Refco of deficiencies in its internal controls, and discovered the receivable that eventually led to uncovering the problem.

But the deception was well enough concealed by senior managers to evade inspections by "many of the most well-respected financial institutions in the country," the statement said.

Meanwhile, underwriters for the company's August 2005 stock offering and several bond offerings should have asked more questions when performing their due diligence, Coffey said.

"It appears to us that bankers were more interested in pocketing their fees than protecting their clients," Coffey said.

Representatives for Bank of America, Credit Suisse, and Deutsche Bank declined to comment.

纽约客

请教老大，在哪里登记，我是RCM开户的，已经保留了帐户交易记录，还有开户时填写的表格，现在应该怎么做呢？